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Facts
| Manufacturer: | Schecter |
| Model: | Dream Machine (upgraded Stratocaster copy) |
| Year: | 1980 |
| Serial No.: | S8218 |
| Colour: | metallic red (similar but not identical to candy-apple red) |
| Woods: | mahogany body / birds-eye one-piece maple neck |
| Pickups: | came with Schecter F500T which were replaced with Seymour Duncans (possibly SSL-1) in 1981 and with APS-1 in the mid 80ies |
| Strings: | 09 (Fender Extra lights in 1980/1, Deam Markley Custom lights 09-46 in 1982) |
| First seen with MK: | 1980, recording of Making Movies |
| Still in MK’s possession/Last seen: | yes / last seen: played by Richard Bennet on the Fish and the Bird in 2008 |
Info
Info: This was the guitar that replaced Mark’s two red Fender Strats as his main axe in 1980. He bought it together with some more Schecters (another red one, a blue and a sunburst Strat, and a black Telecaster) at Rudy Music Stop in New York. Schecter had been a manufacturer of quality parts to upgrade mainly Fender guitars but had recently started to offer completely assembled guitars which were called Dream Machines. Most of the hardware was made of brass instead of steel, and the woods were normally exotic or high-quality woods. The body of this guitar is mahogany, the base wood for a Gibson Les Paul body, and the neck is a high-grade figured birds-eye maple neck. Due to the brass hardware and the choice of woods, this guitar might be relatively heavy. Tom Anderson, who worked for Schecter at that period, remembered that it sounded very dark so that they were afraid Mark would not like it.
The reason why Mark changed from Fender to Schecter was mainly because he was looking for a reliable guitar that was easier to play than his Fenders, and his then-girlfriend had a Schecter which impressed him very much.
Schecter Dream Machines were equipped with Schecter F500T pickups and had three mini toggle switches. As each pickup had two sounds due to a tapped coil, the switches enabled 26 different sound combinations. He recorded Making Movies and started the On Location tour with these pickups, but after the Christmas break he put Seymour Duncans into this guitar. At the time of the Brothers in Arms tour (1985/86) he had Seymour Duncans APS-1 in the guitar, it is not sure if these were the same Seymour Duncans he had in 1981 or not (I think the APS-1 were released later and Seymour Duncan had only SSL 1-6 in the early 80ies, out of these Knopfler’s pickups should be SSL-1).
After he got his first Pensa Suhrs in 1987/88, he used the red Schecter only for some songs, e.g. One Every Street or for the encore Wild Theme / Local Hero.
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“The reason why Mark changed from Fender to Schecter was mainly because he was looking for a reliable guitar that was easier to play than his Fenders, and his then-girlfriend had a Schecter which impressed him very much”
here is an article from french magazine “BEST” 1980, I scanned and posted on AMIT :
http://www.amarkintime.org/forum/index.php/topic,2307.0.html
Mark talks about his “new” schecter guitars
Thanks for that interview translation. I have a German interview (from a German version of Internation Musicia, if I remember correctly November 1979) in which he says that his girlfriend – should be Holly Vincent – has a Schecter which is better than his guitar at that time, the red Fenders), and in an interview from early 1980 of the same magazine, he says the same as in yours, that the Schecters are much easier to play and do not cut the skin of his fingers as the Fenders did, interestingly he also said that the Fender sounds better, that he should play it again to get back the sound, but there was the problem with playability.
Hi Ingo,
just a little thing : I saw your comment by chance, because it doesn’t appears on the left column, under recents comments, maybe because sof the special “status” of these database pages ?
You are right, thanks for the hint 🙂 The old list only showed comments from blog posts, I areplaced it with a new one that includes pages as well. It looks a bit different now for this reason.
Hi Ingo,
Last seen : Get Luky Tour, played by Richard Bennett on one song(I can’t remember exactly which song).
Hi,
It was played by Richard Bennett on “The fish and the bird” on 2008 Kill to Get Crimson Tour. There is a video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7CYWd9uMzI&feature=related (from minute 3:40).
Regards,
Eduard.
Eduard, thank you for your input. I added the info in the table under “last seen”.
Hi,
Do you know what straps he used for the metallic red Schecter Dream Machine on the OES tour?
And have you noticed that the nut on the S8218 is changed from brass to maybe bone or some other white material. By 1985 the neck finish had worn off on some parts so maybe the finish was redone and the nut was replaced. Or maybe the whole neck was swapped with “extra” Red Dream Machines? You can clearly see the wear on Live Aid and in the MK Guitar styles book it looks like new again.
Maybe something for you guys who want to make your own replica and either uses the Alchemy PU’s or the OES PU’s.
Thanks Ingo for your hard work and dedication!
Does anyone know if he fixed the trems on his Strat type guitars?
Seeing as he hardly ever used the trems and does a lot of bending you would suspect so, but maybe he didn’t as it does affect tone??
Hi Ingo,
This popped up on Vevo on YouTube a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX7Qob27tMM
Knopfler playing Golden Heart Live with what appears to be the Red Schecter with a standard strat scratch plate.
Is it the Red Schecter?
It’s the second Schecter Dream Machine which Hal Lindes plays in Alchemy Live
Color is Candy Apple Red, but it has a silver undercoat like earlier Fender CAR finish, later ones has a gold undercoat.
Color is Candy Apple Red but with a silver undercoat instead of gold.
How do you know that the undercoat is silver??
I have heard this from Pat Wilkins who sprayed the necks and bodies. The silver undercoat makes the red brighter looking.
CAR is a 2 step color a metallic undercoat and clear red, Mark’s has a silver undercoat, more regular ones gold.
Yes, David Gilmour’s red EMG Strats have a gold undercoat, and it’s actually a more obvious difference than you might expect comparing the two.
Where does the truss rod adjust on this guitar? Heel or headstock?
the truss rod access is from the heel, the pickguard has to be removed for neck adjuments … It isn’t a “one piece neck”, the fretboard has been added, made in the same wood as the neck
It IS a one-piece maple neck! I guess you are confusing it with the red Fender Strat he played before which had a laminated maple fingerboard
what’s the fingerboard radius?
Hi,
Does anyone have some more info about the Red Dream Machine specs?
Like why Mark said it was easier to play than the Fender…? My best guess is that it must have something to do with the neck so…Any info about the neck specs ?
Thanks !
Mark had some problems with the Fender necks. At the end of a tour his finfers were cut from the strings. I guess the necks were not as straight and even anymore as the highy-quality Schecters. The specs themselves are not very different.
The Schecters also have the vol pot at a different location which allows to rest the right hand closer to the bridge. This makes some of his fancy finger picking a bit easier.
You can see the guitar in this newly released Infidels sessions Bob Dylan video. It looks like MK had 2, each with different pickups – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRrlFYg2QkI
Mark did have two with different pickups, but what’s even more interesting about the Infidels videos (especially obvious in “Don’t Fall Apart On Me Tonight”) is that the one in the stand behind him and Bob has a rosewood fretboard and a matching headstock, which I’ve never seen anywhere else on one of Mark’s Schecters. I wonder if it was either re-necked later (Mark definitely had this done to his maple necked red Fender Strat), or perhaps even a gift to Bob?
Hello.
Did you think about offer brass nut to complete the tone configuration of the Dream Machine strat?
I mean, as a complete pack: full pickguard, kluson tuners, brass tremolo and brass nut.
Also as a single item, why not? 😉
Hello,
which current model from scheckter sounds similar or ist most similar to the dream machine?